Opinion: Is Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) Much Weaker Than it Admits?
The Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) continues to be a somewhat strange one, as the conflicting signals from the company over the months leaves you wondering what the real strength of the bank is.
One obvious example is their response to receiving of TARP funds, which they have claimed through CEO John Stumpf in the past that they had never wanted the money, had never needed the money and had been forced to take it by the government. Of course they continue to communicate publicly that they want to pay it back as soon as possible.
The problem is they’re vacillating on paying the money back, saying it would dilute shareholder value if they sold shares of common stock to do it.
So where did the money go if they didn’t need it and never wanted it? Why didn’t they just sit on it and pay it back when the smoke cleared … like now? The answer to those questions seem to be that they did need it, and so now are trying to figure out how to pay it back with little risk to their shareholders, while keeping the appearance that they continue to be strong.
This leads to the question put forth in the title of the article on whether Wells Fargo is actually weaker than they are letting on.
The bailout of Wells Fargo was practically done through the government being issued $25 billion in preferred shares in the company, which are what needs to be acquired again by the bank to pay back the money.
Why isn’t Wells Fargo buying back the preferred shares? I think it’s fairly obvious: they can’t afford to do it. This is where we come to them selling common shares to do it, which they are resisting doing for the reasons stated on diluting the value of the current shares of stockholders.
But for the sake of on the strength of weakness of Wells Fargo, that’s somewhat irrelevant, as it shows they don’t have the capital to pay it back, and so in fact did need it.
The argument of Wells Fargo would be they didn’t need to issue preferred stock to the government because they could have raised the capital by selling common stock. If that’s the case, why didn’t they just do it then? Dilution of the value of shares in the stock seems to be the answer from Wells Fargo, but how would they have continued operating if they hadn’t done that?
My reason for asking that is Wells Fargo says now that their capital levels aren’t where they need to be in order to pay back the TARP money. But whether it was through issuing preferred stock from the government, selling common shares, or meeting the required capital levels for the bank, it seems to say to me they were weak all along, but have been resisting admitting it even though they supposedly didn’t want the TARP money.
This isn’t to say there hasn’t been money raised through common stock offerings, as there has been, to the tune of about $8.6 billion.
There’s a lot more to this story, but the more you follow it the more tortured and difficult it is to understand and put together, as it is with all the banks that received TARP money.
Just taking into account Wells Fargo saying it didn’t want or need the TARP money, and then saying they aren’t able to pay it back, says they used it for something. And if they used it for something, they must have needed it. If not, as I mentioned earlier, it would have been easy to pay back and get it off their books.
This alone tells me there’s more problems with Wells Fargo than they’re letting on, and we’ll see how plays out going forward.




why would they just sit on the money and pay it back later? who would do that? of course they're going to invest it in some way, which ends up tying up the funds.. however, you'd still think they could pay back the loan by now if they were sitting pretty.
The company is flat out lying about their losses, I have a very reliable source who has told me that the company will be laying off “tens of thousands” of employees across the country. This will cut down billions in operating expenses so they can squeeze out more profit margins and increase their stock prices so they can pay back the TARP money and cover their mortgage and credit losses.
Just keep waiting, the true story will come out. One thing about the news media they know how to uncover the truth. It wouldn't surprise me at all that they are in dire straits right now.
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Where, indeed, did the money go? Maybe they loaned it out to the American public and to American business, like the government told them to do? Can you imagine how the government would have SCREAMED if they hadn't done that? Keep in mind that the money was given to healthy banks, as well as to sickies such as Citi. We were in an absolute liquidity squeeze 14 months ago. The government thought that the fastest way to get money flowing was to loan it out through the banks.
How quickly we forget.
wells is fine u idiots, best bank by far
Wells Fargo is really a smoking turd. If they brought all the off-balance-sheet QSPE's onto the balance sheet like the FASB wants them to, they would be insolvent. I know, I am a Wells Fargo mortgagor. As I litigate the fraudulent origination and try to extinguish my mortgage, I have come to understand that they are indeed swimming uptstream in the sewer we call the American Banking System. Most of their 01-07 vintage trust structures are running 40% default rates while declaring a 1 or 2% loss. Accounting violations (AB1122, FASB 140-3) and more investor lawsuits, combined with the litigation that shows their foreclosure practices are illegal, will hopefully bring the Stagecoach to a screeching halt.
Geez! How does one tell the story of Wells Fargo by leaving out some of the most important chapters? One may comb the article, looking for any mention of Tiny Timmy Geitnher's “asinine” stress test. Gary just left it out, apparently in order to write an article entitled “Is Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) Much Weaker Than it Admits?”. Anyone that has been following the WFC story knows full well that Chairman of the Board Dick Kovacevich termed the stress test “asinine” since the Government regulators don't understand the banking business as well as the management team at WFC does. Gary also fails to mention how profitable Wells Fargo has been the last two quarters and just how well the merger is proceeding. One will also search in vain for any mention of the warrants the Government holds in return for the TARP injection Mr. Kovacevich never wanted or needed. Perhaps if Gary had given the warrant issue some consideration, he never would have been able to come up with such a sensationalistic headline. Warning, most so called journalists don't have a frickin' clue what the hell they are writing about when it comes to the major banks and TARP. Any investor that would rely on the “information” provided in the above article deserves to lose all of their hard earned dollars.
Geez! How does one tell the story of Wells Fargo by leaving out some of the most important chapters? One may comb the article, looking for any mention of Tiny Timmy Geitnher's “asinine” stress test. Gary just left it out, apparently in order to write an article entitled “Is Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) Much Weaker Than it Admits?”. Anyone that has been following the WFC story knows full well that Chairman of the Board Dick Kovacevich termed the stress test “asinine” since the Government regulators don't understand the banking business as well as the management team at WFC does. Gary also fails to mention how profitable Wells Fargo has been the last two quarters and just how well the merger is proceeding. One will also search in vain for any mention of the warrants the Government holds in return for the TARP injection Mr. Kovacevich never wanted or needed. Perhaps if Gary had given the warrant issue some consideration, he never would have been able to come up with such a sensationalistic headline. Warning, most so called journalists don't have a frickin' clue what the hell they are writing about when it comes to the major banks and TARP. Any investor that would rely on the “information” provided in the above article deserves to lose all of their hard earned dollars.
Geez! How does one tell the story of Wells Fargo by leaving out some of the most important chapters? One may comb the article, looking for any mention of Tiny Timmy Geitnher's “asinine” stress test. Gary just left it out, apparently in order to write an article entitled “Is Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC) Much Weaker Than it Admits?”. Anyone that has been following the WFC story knows full well that Chairman of the Board Dick Kovacevich termed the stress test “asinine” since the Government regulators don't understand the banking business as well as the management team at WFC does. Gary also fails to mention how profitable Wells Fargo has been the last two quarters and just how well the merger is proceeding. One will also search in vain for any mention of the warrants the Government holds in return for the TARP injection Mr. Kovacevich never wanted or needed. Perhaps if Gary had given the warrant issue some consideration, he never would have been able to come up with such a sensationalistic headline. Warning, most so called journalists don't have a frickin' clue what the hell they are writing about when it comes to the major banks and TARP. Any investor that would rely on the “information” provided in the above article deserves to lose all of their hard earned dollars.